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	<title>Comments on: Fitna</title>
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	<description>in pursuit of the garden</description>
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		<title>By: Safiya Outlines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Safiya Outlines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Salaam Alaikum,&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&#039;that certainty in nothingness, that those of us who have been atheist have had the misfortune to experience in full.&#039;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As an ex-atheist, that sums things up better then anything else I have read on the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Salaam Alaikum,</em></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8216;that certainty in nothingness, that those of us who have been atheist have had the misfortune to experience in full.&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p>As an ex-atheist, that sums things up better then anything else I have read on the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Rufaidah Al-zeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rufaidah Al-zeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A much needed reminder. We are indeed tested. Sometimes a darkness descends upon us, such that is like the darkest part of a stormy night where one would not see his own arm outstreched befor him. &lt;em&gt;Allahuma&lt;/em&gt; we ask for Your Light and we beg for forgiveness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A much needed reminder. We are indeed tested. Sometimes a darkness descends upon us, such that is like the darkest part of a stormy night where one would not see his own arm outstreched befor him. <em>Allahuma</em> we ask for Your Light and we beg for forgiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: Ibn 'Alawi</title>
		<link>http://folio.me.uk/2010/06/fitn/comment-page-1/#comment-2436</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibn 'Alawi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;All Arabic root-words are verbs, not nouns — the root would be fatana, meaning both &#039;he tested&#039; and &#039;to test&#039;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A small point (just for benefit): The stronger view of the morphologists is that Arabic roots derive from nouns [&lt;em&gt;asma&#039;&lt;/em&gt;] and not verbs. That is because [1], Allah says that He taught Adam the names [&lt;em&gt;asma&#039;&lt;/em&gt;] of everything, and [2] nouns are simpler because they do not denote a &quot;doer&quot; or particular time [past, present, or future].

Nice post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;All Arabic root-words are verbs, not nouns — the root would be fatana, meaning both &#8216;he tested&#8217; and &#8216;to test&#8217;.</p></blockquote>
<p>A small point (just for benefit): The stronger view of the morphologists is that Arabic roots derive from nouns [<em>asma'</em>] and not verbs. That is because [1], Allah says that He taught Adam the names [<em>asma'</em>] of everything, and [2] nouns are simpler because they do not denote a &#8220;doer&#8221; or particular time [past, present, or future].</p>
<p>Nice post.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Bowes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Bowes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Wa alaikum assalam,&lt;/em&gt;

Perhaps you are talking about a different group of people, Yusuf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Wa alaikum assalam,</em></p>
<p>Perhaps you are talking about a different group of people, Yusuf.</p>
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		<title>By: Yusuf Smith</title>
		<link>http://folio.me.uk/2010/06/fitn/comment-page-1/#comment-2433</link>
		<dc:creator>Yusuf Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;As-Salaamu &#039;alaikum&lt;/em&gt;,

&lt;blockquote&gt;My Qur’an teacher taught his class one day that the word fitna is of the Arabic root alfatn.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

All Arabic root-words are verbs, not nouns --- the root would be &lt;em&gt;fatana&lt;/em&gt;, meaning both &quot;he tested&quot; and &quot;to test&quot;.

I&#039;m not really sure what this recent fitna (of 2 or 3 years ago) you are talking about refers to, but the &quot;Salafi inquisition&quot; affected only &quot;salafis&quot; who were mostly a different demographic from those who got involved in the traditionalist movement, particularly in America.  Traditionalism was a bottom-up movement among young English-speaking Muslims who wanted an authentic traditional Islam that wasn&#039;t affected by the Indo-Pak Bareilawi-Deobandi schism (i.e. you no longer had to keep some of your friends secret from the others) and which it wasn&#039;t necessary to learn Urdu to be part of.  It was also about providing comprehensive rebuttals to the &quot;salafi&quot; claims to keep young people from falling for them.

The &quot;inquisition&quot; wasn&#039;t just about requiring &quot;that the enthusiastic new faithful declare exactly which type of Salafi they were&quot; - it was aimed at everyone in the western &quot;salafi&quot; communities, and tore apart long-standing friendships and even marriages and resulted in businesses going bust because of boycotts.  I&#039;m not sure how many of the victims ended up as traditionalists.

This latest bout of fitna has less to do with doctrine as with class, with perhaps a culture clash between some of the converts and the lifestyle in the Middle East where they spent time or settled, with some genuine abuses, and with a breakdown in tolerance, and this may have something to do with the end of the Bush administration which required Muslims to have at least some solidarity with each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>As-Salaamu &#8216;alaikum</em>,</p>
<blockquote><p>My Qur’an teacher taught his class one day that the word fitna is of the Arabic root alfatn.</p></blockquote>
<p>All Arabic root-words are verbs, not nouns &#8212; the root would be <em>fatana</em>, meaning both &#8220;he tested&#8221; and &#8220;to test&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not really sure what this recent fitna (of 2 or 3 years ago) you are talking about refers to, but the &#8220;Salafi inquisition&#8221; affected only &#8220;salafis&#8221; who were mostly a different demographic from those who got involved in the traditionalist movement, particularly in America.  Traditionalism was a bottom-up movement among young English-speaking Muslims who wanted an authentic traditional Islam that wasn&#8217;t affected by the Indo-Pak Bareilawi-Deobandi schism (i.e. you no longer had to keep some of your friends secret from the others) and which it wasn&#8217;t necessary to learn Urdu to be part of.  It was also about providing comprehensive rebuttals to the &#8220;salafi&#8221; claims to keep young people from falling for them.</p>
<p>The &#8220;inquisition&#8221; wasn&#8217;t just about requiring &#8220;that the enthusiastic new faithful declare exactly which type of Salafi they were&#8221; &#8211; it was aimed at everyone in the western &#8220;salafi&#8221; communities, and tore apart long-standing friendships and even marriages and resulted in businesses going bust because of boycotts.  I&#8217;m not sure how many of the victims ended up as traditionalists.</p>
<p>This latest bout of fitna has less to do with doctrine as with class, with perhaps a culture clash between some of the converts and the lifestyle in the Middle East where they spent time or settled, with some genuine abuses, and with a breakdown in tolerance, and this may have something to do with the end of the Bush administration which required Muslims to have at least some solidarity with each other.</p>
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